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* [#Episode_V._The_DoS_strikes_back.3F 1 Episode V. The DoS strikes back?]
* [#Recent_Vandal_Attack 2 Recent Vandal Attack]
* [#Image_uploading 3 Image uploading]
* [#New_Community_Project 4 New Community Project]
* [#Unblocking 5 Unblocking]
* [#The_Clamburger_Bot 6 The Clamburger Bot]
* [#Image_Code 7 Image Code]
* [#Guestbooks 8 Guestbooks]
* [#Image_formats 9 Image formats]
* [#Protecting_Main_Page_Images 10 Protecting Main Page Images]

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== Episode V. The DoS strikes back? ==

Am I the only one encountering serious slowdowns? Are we being attacked by a DoS again? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[[Talk:Main Page|Ooooops!]] I just saw the discussion in the main page, nevermind.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


== Recent Vandal Attack ==

Just to let you know, the recent vandel attack was done by zombies, which are computers infected with a trojan. A proxy block list won't block these bots. Anyways, I'm begun to pick apart mediawiki and see if I can make a bot-prevention script for you guys/the other wikis out there. Think of something a bot can't read. [Big ol' Hint: a image] [PS, move this if this is in the wrong place] - [[User:Mick|Mick]]

These IPs in general show too many similarities to be random machines, in my opinion. Also, I believe some ''one person'' is driving these attacks, because they start and stop, and because whoever it is adapts to our countermeasures in specific ways. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

If we're going to do anything with an image, here's an idea I had: Set it up somehow so that it would be impossible to enter the domain hrwiki.org without entering whatever characters are in the image. Something like we had on the old wiki where when you clicked on a link to the admin page, a dialog box came up asking for your login info. I guess we would have to set it up so that if you followed a link here, even from another wiki that interwiki links to us se up like Wikipedia or This Might Be a Wiki, you'd see that dialog box. I know it would really annoy some people, but my guess is that if we were to ''not'' do it that way, vandals would just go to those wikis and click links to us and get in that way. If we're not going to use a scrambled image, that's completely fine by me—we'll do what '''we''' have to do—ignore what I just said. It might not be feasible, practical, or even possible. As I've said before, I don't know much about the technical aspects of the Internet, just how to use it. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 20:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

ACupOfCoffee: Feel free to [[Write your own MediaWiki extension|write your own MediaWiki extension]] to do your above suggestion.[[User:Tom]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, the extent of my programming abilities is programming formulas into TI calculators, which takes me a long time to do. I don't know if I'm the guy to do it,but I'll see if there's already one like it posted to Meta. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 22:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure I even understand what you're proposing. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

What I'm proposing is that when somebody enters the hrwiki.org domain, no matter how they got here, (i.e.: typed it into the address bar, clicked a link on another site) they get dialog box with a [[Captcha|Wikipedia:Captcha]] for them to identify. But not just for viewing the main page, because that could be circumvented by thping in the url of another page on the wiki, and would create a problem for people already on the site returning to the main page. It's sort of like those sites where you can't even view their home page unless you log in, and when you try to go to them you get a log in dialog box on top of the page you were on before. I believe [http://www.fxparlant.net/Category:Mediawiki#Captcha this extension] makes you identify a Captcha every time you try to edit a page. The only big problem with it is that it's for MediaWiki 1.3, and the guy who wrote it can't vigure out how to get it to work on 1.5. He has a preliminary non-working version up with a requset for help on making it work. When and if he gets it to work, we could tweak it for our own purposes. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 23:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh ''that's'' what I was looking for... if he has Code, I might be able ... to help? (Agh but i've been so busy!). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I've already developed a Captcha system that is ready to be implemented. I'm just waiting for our host to install a few PHP libraries.[[User:Tom]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Wait, are we going to have to see the Captcha every time we try to edit, or when we log in? '''<code>[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]</code><code>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestar_Coder [[File:homestar-coder-sig.gif|thumb|homestar-coder-sig.gif]]]</code>''' 00:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe the plan is for when we log in/create a user or when an anonny makes an edit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Ohhh! cool! Well I guess my services are not needed in this respect. So you managed to get Captcha to work on 1.5? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

While it'll be good to open back up to the public again, I can't help but feel like we're still loosing something to that troll; that anonymous users might be somewhat discouraged from editing, if it means copying out an image too. At the very least, it'll be a hassle. Although it may turn out to be a good thing, encouraging annonymous users to create accounts, to limit the copying needed. '''<code>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderbird_L17 ⇔]</code>''' 06:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

By ''copying'' you mean typing the image contents? If they're going to do editing (which involves typing) we're only adding a little bit to their typing. Granted, they have to do some processing of that image in their heads but it's still minimal. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I bet there are a zillian people that don't like regestering. So you could ''just'' put the image varifacation thing and when they put it in right, it puts in a cookie. And if you don't have the cookie in your browser, it redirects them to the page w/ the image varifacation page. It's possible to do that w/ javascript. I'll go look it up ::strongfan::

That would be a good idea. Just remember that adding that will still require a decent amount of coding on media-wiki since cookies are easy to forge without proper authentication methods. It's possible that the good people here at the wiki have already thought of that and might be planning for it in the long term. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

That would be a ''bad'' idea, as it would defeat the whole purpose of the security. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

No it wouldn't. And they already put up the image varifacation thing. ''Sigh'' . I didn't get the code in time. Oh well. Problem is solved anyway. ::strongfan::


== Image uploading ==

I can't fix this, or I'd do it myself, but the image upload screen no longer has the check box to confirm that no copyrights are being violated. This isn;t a change in MediaWiki 1.5 because TMBW still has it. There ''is'' one to watch the page, but leaving that unchecked doesn't provide a warning about breaking copyright law, so I know that it is not merely mislabeled. Come to think of it, we ought to have a dropdown box to select the appropriate copyright tag to go on the image page at uploading like the 'Pedia does. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 15:27, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Say, that's not a bad idea. I'll look into this a little later, unless someone beats me to it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... It's been over a week and I still haven't done anything on this. I'd better write myself a note. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


== New Community Project ==

It's been awhile since [[Peasant's Quest]], and I'm thinking we could go up for another one. I've been wanting to make a nice standard for [[Tandy 400]], [[Compy 386]], and [[Lappy 486]] for a while. Also, the [[Store]] is a mess. Should we start another one up? Any ideas? —[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User talk:FireBird|Talk]] 17:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I think that there is another, more importent project the community need to do. Personal images and signature images tags. Each user need to tag his images and take after abandoned images of users past and images of users departed. Other images, not from the user variety also need to be tagged as web-screenshots and game=screenshots. Could this be done in a week? '''''— [[User:Elcool|Elcool]]''''' [[User talk:Elcool|(talk)]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elcool (contribs)] 05:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Extensively using Mozilla's (and when I'm in a computer lab, Firefox's) tabs, (and having, like, 50 open at once) I've managed to do 500 of them in 2 or 3 45 minute sittings. A week doesn't seem unreasonable to me, granted I can only work that fast when I'm at school on the LAN, but I'm sure enough of us have broadband to do it. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] @ 21:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

A week is fine, but we should divide it up somehow like we did for [[HRWiki:ProxyBlocks]]. We need groupings of all the tags in the categories E.L. Cool mentioned:

{| class="wikitable" border="5" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;"
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| width="30%"| '''{{web-screenshot}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:Red copyright.png|[[File:Red_copyright.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This is a screenshot of a '''[[Copyright|copyrighted]] web page'''. It is believed that screenshots may be exhibited under the '''[[Fair use|fair use]]''' provision of United States copyright law. See [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|Copyrights]] for more information.''
|}

|-
| width="30%"| '''{{game-screenshot}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:Red copyright.png|[[File:Red_copyright.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This is a screenshot of a '''[[Copyright|copyrighted]] computer game or video game''', and the '''copyright''' for it is most likely held by the company that developed the game. It is believed that the use of a '''limited number''' of '''web-resolution''' screenshots for '''identification and critical commentary on the computer or video game in question''' or '''the copyrighted character(s) depicted on the screenshot in question''' qualifies as '''[[Fair use|fair use]]''' under [[United States copyright law]], as such display '''does not significantly impede the right of the copyright holder to sell the copyrighted material''', is '''not being used to turn a profit in this context''', and presents ideas that '''cannot be exhibited otherwise'''. See [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|Copyrights]] and [[Wikipedia:Image description page|fair use rationale]].''
|}

|-
| width="30%"| '''{{dvd-screenshot}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:Red copyright.png|[[File:Red_copyright.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This is a screenshot of a '''[[Copyright|copyrighted]] DVD video''', and the '''copyright''' for it is most likely held by the producers of the disc and possibly also by any actors appearing in the screenshot. It is believed that the use of a '''limited number''' of '''web-resolution''' screenshots for '''identification and critical commentary on the DVD video in question''' or '''the copyrighted character(s) depicted on the screenshot in question''' qualifies as '''[[Fair use|fair use]]''' under [[United States copyright law]], as such display '''does not significantly impede the right of the copyright holder to sell the copyrighted material''', is '''not being used to turn a profit in this context''', and presents ideas that '''cannot be exhibited otherwise'''. See [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|Copyrights]] and [[Wikipedia:Image description page|fair use rationale]].''
|}

|-
| width="30%"| '''{{web-soundclip}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:Red copyright.png|[[File:Red_copyright.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| This is a sample from a [[Copyright|copyrighted]] musical recording. The person who uploaded this work and first used it in an article, and subsequent people who use it in articles, assert that this qualifies as [[Fair use|fair use]] under [[Fair use|United States copyright law]] when used on the [http://www.hrwiki.org Homestar Runner Wiki], hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit organization [http://www.fellowsites.org Fellowsites], where:
* The sample is being used for commentary on the music recording in question, and contributes significantly to the encyclopedia articles it is used in (listed under the heading "File links" below) in a way that cannot be duplicated by other forms of media.
* The sample is short in relation to the duration of the recorded track and is of an inferior quality to the original recording.
* No other samples from the same track are used in HRWiki.
* There is no adequate free alternative available.
* A more detailed fair use rationale may be provided by the user who uploaded this recording.

'''Any other uses of this recording, on HRWiki or elsewhere, may be [[copyright infringement]].''' If you are the copyright holder of this recording and you feel that its use here does not fall under "fair use" please see [[Copyright problems|Wikipedia:Copyright problems]] for information on how to proceed.

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|-
| width="30%"| '''{{personal-image}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:personal-image.png|[[File:personal-image.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This image is being used as one of the '''[[HRWiki:Personal images|personal images]]''' allowed to '''[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]'''.''
|}

|-
| width="30%"| '''{{personal-image-sig}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
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| [[File:personal-image-sig.png|[[File:personal-image-sig.png|60px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This image is a '''[[HRWiki:Personal images|personal image]]''' in the signature of '''[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]'''.'' 
Certain restrictions apply.
|}

|-
| width="30%"| '''{{personal-image-abandoned}}'''
| 
{| class="wikitable" align="center" style="width: 80%; background-color: #f1f1de; border: 2px solid #996; padding: 5px;"
|-
| [[File:personal-image-abandoned.png|[[File:personal-image-abandoned.png|50px|thumb|Copyright undetermined]]]]
| ''This '''[[HRWiki:Personal images|personal image]]''' has been '''abandoned'''. It was most recently used by '''[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]'''. 
'''No pages should link to this file.''' 
Another user may claim it, or it may be subject to deletion if deemed unnecessary by the community.''
|}

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At the moment, people are doing the tagging randomly, which isn't helping if you're trying to find images to tag yourself. — [[User:Lapper|Lapper]] ([[User talk:Lapper|talk]]) 22:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm done now! — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 09:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


== Unblocking ==

All right, fellow admins. Some of you have noticed that there are a lot of IPs out there that have been blocked indefinitely for only making a few trollish edits. Those blocks were generally made more than a year ago, and policy seems to have changed to allow for the second-chances of trolls, and also the chance that there may be a responsible person trying to edit the wiki from that IP. I've made a small, incomplete list of troll IPs that do not appear to be all that serious. Comb through the [/wiki/Special:BlockList block list] yourself too. Are you all in agreement that some of the IPs should be unblocked? What about ''all'' of the IPs? Keep an eye out for any indefinitey blocked AOL proxies. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

* [[User:4.62.191.117|4.62.191.117]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/4.62.191.117 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:4.62.191.117 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/4.62.191.117 block])
* [[User:213.39.181.139|213.39.181.139]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.39.181.139 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:213.39.181.139 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/213.39.181.139 block])
* [[User:80.43.109.64|80.43.109.64]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.43.109.64 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:80.43.109.64 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/80.43.109.64 block])
* [[User:80.46.168.155|80.46.168.155]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.46.168.155 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:80.46.168.155 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/80.46.168.155 block])
* [[User:68.220.79.236|68.220.79.236]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.220.79.236 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:68.220.79.236 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/68.220.79.236 block])
* [[User:24.203.226.202|24.203.226.202]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.203.226.202 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:24.203.226.202 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/24.203.226.202 block])
* [[User:216.120.190.122|216.120.190.122]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.120.190.122 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:216.120.190.122 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/216.120.190.122 block])
* [[User:69.245.217.37|69.245.217.37]] ([/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.245.217.37 contribs] | [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:69.245.217.37 log] | [/wiki/Special:Block/69.245.217.37 block])

Hmmm... Perhaps 2006 should be a jubilee year! I'm all for giving them another chance. '''<code>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderbird_L17 ⇔]</code>''' 00:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, unblocking sounds fine. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I unblocked all 3 of the troll AOL proxies. I did not check the BlockedProxies (no intention/reason to), but I did glance and noticed something that brings up a question. Aren't 152.163.240.0/21 and 152.163.248.0/22 part of the AOL range 152.163.0.0/16 (152.163.0.0 - 152.163.255.255)? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I unblocked quite a few tonight, mostly those that were quite minor. A few major trolls, too. It's been so long they probably will never come back. It's dot com has told be that the ranges above are in the AOL range, so Tom or Dot com may want to take a look at the proxies we blocked in Nov 2005, because at least those two are in there. I'll continue slowly unblocking if no one else wants to jump in. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

WOOHOO! I can edit again! [[216.120.190.111]] 05:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


== The Clamburger Bot ==

I recently made a bot called [[User:Clamburger|Clamburger]], so could a Boo-roo-cat please give it (bot) status here and (bot,sysop) status on the Fanstuff? -- '''[[User:Super Sam/redirect|Super Sam]]''' 14:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

What's up with these edits: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Real-World References|(1)]], [[User:Clamburger|(2)]], and [[User:E.L. Cool/test1|(3)]]? What kind of bot is this? What software are you using to control the bot? This is all beside the point, of course, as users [[HRWiki:Blocking Policy|aren't even allowed to operate bots]]. Why do you want to have this one? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

For the first two, I accidentally ran over them twice, and for the last one, it was a bug in the double redirect corrector, which I fixed anyway. I'm using the [[Pywikipediabot]] software. I wasn't aware of the bots policy. Feel free to block it on the Knowledge Base, but I'm a sysop on the Fanstuff, so I should be able to keep it there. It's making plenty of useful edits. Cut me some slack, I'm still learning. -- '''[[User:Super Sam/redirect|Super Sam]]''' 16:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked [[User:Clamburger]] per our [[HRWiki:Blocking Policy|policy]]. I'll allow you to use the bot on the fanstuff wiki, but I won't mark it as bot so that its edits will still show up on the default Recent Changes view. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that going to flood Recent Changes? -- '''[[User:Super Sam/redirect|Super Sam]]''' 03:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly right. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


== Image Code ==

It is become a challenge for broth the eye and brain to edit a page. On my last edit, it took me 5 minutes to have my edits appear on the article. Maybe the image code should be retired?--[[User:65.167.69.54|65.167.69.54]] 14:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

If you [/wiki/Special:UserLogin register for an account], that will be the last time you will have to input the code. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


== Guestbooks ==

''Moved to [[HRWiki talk:Guestbooks|HRWiki:Guestbooks → Original discussion]].''


== Image formats ==

I think it's great that our new users are contributing images. Recently it seemed (st least to me) that lots of GIF and JPEG images were being uploaded that should have been PNG. As should have happened, those users were relatively quickly contacted and educated about our image policy and that most of their images really should have been PNG format. Now it seems that those conversations have created the opposite problem: images that should be JPEGs are being uploaded as PNGs. To give just the most recent example: [[File:taranchulapeople.png|Image:taranchulapeople.png]]. Should we just chalk this up to people being lazy and not reading the upload page, or should this policy be advertized more/better? — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 05:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I belive PNG is in fact correct. Despite appearing to be a people pic, It is still part of the flash file, and should be treated no less than any animation. I went through this with a vetern user some time ago, but can't find the link where he explained it to me. In any case, I'm quite sure JPG is used just for images that are photos, not screenshots. '''<code>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderbird_L17 ⇔]</code>''' 05:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

'''EDIT:''' Found it. It was a discussion with [[User:Tom|Tom]] from October '04. You can find it [[User talk:Tom|here]], but it's a big section. Here's the applicable explanation:

''Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)''

''Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[File:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg|Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[File:mattchapman.jpg|Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[File:puppetdween.png|Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)''

Hope that clears it up. '''<code>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderbird_L17 ⇔]</code>''' 05:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[[flashback|Now I understand]]. — [[User:ACupOfCoffee]][[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|@]] 07:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


== Protecting Main Page Images ==

I see little value in protecting images on the [[Main Page]] if we don't also protect the templates. A vandal can easily upload an offensive image and edit the template in order to display it. Thankfully, this hasn't happened more than once or twice... so far. Thus, the only reason I can think of for protecting main page images is to prevent revert wars from users who like this image better than that image. This reasoning also has its flaws. So, we have couple of options. Either fully protect images and templates while they are live on the main page, or not at all. It seems that since main page image vandalism is few and far between, more people would lean towards no protection for the time being. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

It poses a serious question: Should we be more protective from vandalism, or be more quick on the draw? If the whatsnew template was protected, only sysops could edit it and it will reduce the amount of trolling a bit. On the other hand, leaving it unlocked draws trolls to change something that is on the main page, but could be easily reverted as it was vandalize. Another point to consider is that leaving it can help us update the main page with site updates. Looking at the [[Template:whatsnew|history]] of it we can clearly see although the more recent updates were added by sysops, a lot of others were updated by regular users. Heck! Even I (who is slow with kind of stuff) managed to update. Sometimes no sysop is around to do this kind of stuff. So our main decisions is to stop a small amount of trolling but have the page non-editable by non-sysops or leave it as it is and be as quick as we are on updates with the usual rv/v now and then. '''''— [[User:Elcool|Elcool]]''''' [[User talk:Elcool|(talk)]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elcool (contribs)] 23:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)l

I think the benefits of leaving both the main page template and image unlocked will outway the downside. But that's just me. Trolls don't seem to be bugging it much at all, and any trolling can be easily reverted. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 18:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

This is true. But now should we not even protect images due to these reasons, or should we just do it just for the heck of it? I could go both ways. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Reverting images is harder. First you'll need the original version of the image. Keep them protected. '''''— [[User:Elcool|Elcool]]''''' [[User talk:Elcool|(talk)]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elcool (contribs)] 19:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought you could just hit one of those version links at the bottom and revert it to an old revision. (I remember there was some revert war about [[50K Racewalker]]'s image, and the whole image had to be deleted to clear this from happening. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Hi, I didn't know that! Thank you. '''''— [[User:Elcool|Elcool]]''''' [[User talk:Elcool|(talk)]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Elcool (contribs)] 19:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The difference with images is that if a sysop deletes an article, it can be restored by another sysop. But if a sysop deletes an image, it's gone for good, un-recoverable. As far as your average troll though, normal users cannot do anything to an image that can't be revereted. '''<code>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderbird_L17 ⇔]</code>''' 00:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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